Oil Filter Substitutions

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:30:29 -0800
From: Eric Johnson 
Subject: Toyota Oil filter?
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'" 

SKeene8194@aol.com wrote:
> Also, I was shocked as to how small the Toyota filter is compared to say a
> Fram filter. Smaller filter means less filtering capacity equals shorter
> filter life and, less oil capacity.

FWIW: I think toyota specs one filter for all trucks, presumably to keep 
inventories simple. They used to spec a very large filter for the 20R 
engine, but with the V6, I think they needed to use a smaller filter so it 
would fit in the tight engine bay, so now they spec the same small filter 
on both engines. Anyways, I use the larger filter size on my 22RE. I think 
the Purolator equivalent is a PH-1. Its got the same size gasket and 
mounting hole, but it probably is 3 times as large by volume. Works fine 
for me.

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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:37:06 -0600
From: "Michael Rowe" 
Subject: Oil Filters
To: 

My personal choice is FRAM PH3639. I buy them at Pep Boys. It is a double
capacity oil filter. It is approx. twice as long as the "tea cup" filter
that is spec'd for the 3VZE engine (3.0 V6). They are harder to find and
more expensive but it's worth it for the extra filtering action. I believe
they have the rubber flap check valve in it. Not positive but will check in
about two weeks when I change it. BTW the filter can be removed without
dropping the skid plate, it just takes a little practice aligning the tie
rods and snaking your arm in there.

Michael Rowe
'88 4Runner
m.rowe@mail.utexas.edu

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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:54:28 -0500 (EST)
From: TXPakRat@aol.com
Subject: Oil Filters
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org

    I was told that the stock filter is for both the V6 and 4banger. The
Fram match is PH3614.  I thought about using the PH1, and the PH3639, but I
had reservations.  The PH1 has a larger diameter, but has the same gasket
size.  There is enough room for the height, but there is a part on the
engine of the V6 (I am not sure what it is) that I don't think will allow 
for the extra width.  The PH3639 has the same diameter as the stock filter, 
but is almost twice as tall.  I was not sure if it had a check valve, so I
didn't switch.  If it does have a check valve, I will probably switch (after 
I use up the two other filters that I have).

Bob
Pack Rat
TXPakRat@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:13:50 -0500
From: Jack Alford 
Subject: Questions...
To: toy4x4@tlca.org

Jacques wrote:

>1.  I saw someone (sorry I forgot who) mention that they use a Fram 
> PH3600 instead of a PH3614 oil filter because it gives twice the 
> filter area and because of the volume of the filter.  My question is 
> how much does this drop the oil pressure and are there any real 
> advantages to this?

I can't remember if a PH3614 is the stock filter for a 22R or not but
generally the fewer the numbers/letters in a Fram filter the larger it
is, I use a Fram PH16, it's quite large. I think it increased my
oil capacity by at least  half a quart, my oil pressure gauge says
that I'm still running 20 lbs. at idle and 60 lbs at more rpms. I've
run that filter ever since I got my truck and have had no problems.



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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 09:21:14 -0500
From: El Manalo 
Subject: Is Toyota going cheap on a new-style oil filter?
To: Toy4x4@Tlca.org

Does anyone know why Toyota seems to be going 'cheap' on 'oil filters?
There are some very obvious differences that you notice right away:
1) the 'old' oil filters from Toyota had sealed plastic wraps on the open
end of the filter, this protects and seals the lubrication  around the oil
filter's seal, yes, the seals came pre-lubricated which is pretty cool!  2)
the filter's seal  is reddish/orangle in color which is actually harder and
tougher in texture than the black one they are starting to use nowadays. 
The new ones they are starting to use do NOT have this protective
plastic wrap, the cheaper looking  black seal does not come
pre-lubricated and you have to oil it up yourself.  What I want to know is
how about the filtering elements inside? Are these cheaper too? I've
always used Toyota OEM Oil Filters and have NEVER had any problems
but this is cause for concern. This is one of those critical little parts that
just has to be right and I'd rather that Toyota does not skimp on this
certain part. I have a lot of Toyota Delaership mechanic buddies and they
tell me this is where Toyota is going with these filters. I'd like us vehicle
owners to tell the company - don't go there!!!

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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:17:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Spinnetti@aol.com
Subject: Is Toyota going cheap on a new-style oil filter?
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org

yup, the filters suck, they are made in the US and are no better than your
average K-mart filter. BOO to Toyota!

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:48:36 -0700
From: Locke Christman 
Subject: Oil filters (was: red coolant)
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'" 

Butch Stiles wrote:

>	I have put this out before, but there's lots of new "faces" so I'll
>send it out again. I have used FRAM filters for close to 20 years
>with no problems whatsoever. I have used the oil, air, fuel, pcv's, etc.
>and they have always done the job. Also, the oil filters have the
>anti-drainback valve that seems to be such a big selling point lately,
>and they've had it for YEARS! I haven't read much on them lately, but
>they usually score very highly in tests and comparisons and all that
>other marketing stuff. I use them, they WORK, that's enough for me!
>Later...

Butch,

Good information.  I sort of oscillate between Fram and Purolator, no
good reason, just whatever I see in the store first or what's cheapest.
I have never had a problem but I wonder if Purolator or others have the
anti-drainback valve.  Do you have any idea??

Thanks,

Locke

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:46:41 -0700
From: James Brink 
Subject: Red Coolant and Oil Filters
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org

JC Nordyke wrote:
> 
> James Brink wrote:
> 
> >I have seen engines with excessive top-engine wear due to oil
> >starvation caused by folks running a rather large AC/Delco (PF2) oil
> >filter on a 22R and 2F engines.
> 
> Can you go into some more detail as to why this starvation occurs?
> I'm running a Fram PH8A filter on my 22R, and I don't want to cause
> any excess wear.  It only has 93k on it, and I do regular oil changes
> using a sythentic blend oil(Castrol).  I know that the PH8A is approx.
> 3x the size of that little tea cup filter.  Would I be better off using
> something that was of a medium size like the PH3639 which is approx.
> 2x the size?
> 
> JC Nordyke
> jc.nordyke@mci.com
> '86 Shortie Pickup  '88 4Runner

I believe the starvation is caused by people not adding additional oil
to overcome for the increased fluid capacity with the larger filter. 
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Jim Brink				1986 Standard Bed 4X4/22R
Toyota/ASE Certified Technician		135,000 Miles
brinkjm@earthlink.net			32" BFG All-Terrain T/As
					Stock 4.10 gears
					Rear Lock-Right (TRD)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:37:18 -0700
From: James Brink 
Subject: filter
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org

Justin Cole wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Did I read though the lines correctly.  I got the idea that a Toyota oil 
> filter is better.
> I use fram.  Should I change. Is the differance that big?
> 
> justin
> 97 Tacoma ect. ect. ect.

 

New guy alert. (The oil filter thread was a dead issue when I joined the
list).  Justin, my remarks were just a suggestion to use an oil filter
that contains an anti-drainback valve (Toyota OEM filters do). Many
aftermarket filters have this valve and some do not. I am not familiar
with the Motorcraft FL-300 so I do not know if this particular filter is
equipped with such a valve. If I knew the Fram part number, I would have
suggested that filter as well. Yes, I think Toyota filters are good. So
are Fram, AC, Motorcraft, WIX (I have used WIX filters before on my
Fo-Uhhh, other truck), etc. I guess what I am trying to say (in way too
many words by now) is to carefully read the application guide when
buying an oil filter. The anti-drainback valve is a small flap that
covers the outlet (smaller passages) around the outer diameter of the
filter.

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Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician
Manhattan Beach, CA
brinkjm@earthlink.net                           '86 Std. Bed/32"BFG A/T	
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