Transmissions - Manual
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.4x4
Subject: 83 Toy Tranny
From: testing@news.org (stumped)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 00:58:39 GMT
I have an 83 Toyota short box and I am on my third tranny. Is there
something I need to know or that the mechanics aren't telling me?
They seem to smile every time I show up at the shop. I am tired of
getting fifth gear replaced. Is there any different trans. I can put
in it? If you have any info, please post a follow-up.
Thanks
Ben
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.4x4
Subject: Re: 83 Toy Tranny
From: ryna10@email.sps.mot.com (Jay Kopycinski)
Date: 15 Jul 1996 15:14:24 GMT
In article <4sc53p$irb@news.orst.edu>, testing@news.org (stumped) wrote:
> I have an 83 Toyota short box and I am on my third tranny. Is there
> something I need to know or that the mechanics aren't telling me?
> They seem to smile every time I show up at the shop. I am tired of
> getting fifth gear replaced. Is there any different trans. I can put
> in it? If you have any info, please post a follow-up.
>
> Thanks
> Ben
Yep......the late '84 on trannies are much stouter and the bearing problems
were fixed.
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Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY)
Gilbert, AZ '91 4Runner (hers)
Arizona Lo-Rangers ASA4WDC UFWDA
Fun Country Fourwheelers SWFWDA TLCA
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.4x4
Subject: Re: 83 Toy Tranny
From: callahan@ccit.arizona.edu
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:26:00 -0700
Ben:
I have about 130K on my '83 transmission and have had
no problems following a schedule of yearly oil changes.
If you can find one, I understand that the turbo had a
more robust tranny and driveline. In the meantime, try
a synthetic lube. Good luck.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.4x4
Subject: Re: 83 Toy Tranny
From: Rick Jones
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 20:33:43 -0700
callahan@ccit.arizona.edu wrote:
>
> Ben:
>
> I have about 130K on my '83 transmission and have had
> no problems following a schedule of yearly oil changes.
> If you can find one, I understand that the turbo had a
> more robust tranny and driveline. In the meantime, try
> a synthetic lube. Good luck.
The early (79-83) transmissions had undersized input/output bearings and
there is a new case available if you wish to purchase the larger
bearings during overhaul, although the smaller bearings are available
still from the dealer, if you decide to overhaul it, consider the new
case.
Rick, Toyota Master/ASE Master/L-1
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 10:14:12 +0000
From: "Mike Williams"
Subject: Toy Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Guy Hinton wrote
> A friend of mine has an 83 4x4 p.u. with a bad tranny. None of the
> bone yards around here have a good one in stock. My question is
> could he use a tranny from an 86? or would he need to swap the
> engine from the 86 also? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
This is a good question. I also have an early model Toyota ('81) that
is in need of a transmission. The early 81-83 SR5 Toyota 4x4s had a
weak five speed transmission. By design, these transmissions (5
speeds) were prone to destroy input shaft bearings easily.
I am also looking for advice on this problem. Has anyone swapped in
a later model tranny and transfer case? If so what modifications
were necessary? Has anyone rebuilt this transmission with upgraded
parts?
Nick Krest (?) I think you have an early model SR5. What has been
your experience with your five speed transmission?
Mike Williams
'81 SR5
5' lift
35 BFG
5.29 Gears
Limited Slip and alot more
+ a growling transmission
Mike Williams
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will7476@blue.UnivNorthCo.EDU
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:13:18 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: Toy Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Buenos. Just got back from a nice long, warm (relatively) wheeling/dirt
biking trip to Baja (Punta Final) and ran a text search for my name on my
email. This came up:
Mike Williams wrote:
>This is a good question. I also have an early model Toyota ('81) that
>is in need of a transmission. The early 81-83 SR5 Toyota 4x4s had a
>weak five speed transmission. By design, these transmissions (5
>speeds) were prone to destroy input shaft bearings easily.
>I am also looking for advice on this problem. Has anyone swapped in
>a later model tranny and transfer case? If so what modifications
>were necessary? Has anyone rebuilt this transmission with upgraded
>parts?
>Nick Krest, I think you have an early model SR5. What has been
>your experience with your five speed transmission?
Oh, trannys. Mine came new from the dealer with 31's (and a bunch of other
dealer-added crap). When we were test driving it, my dad said to me: "Fifth
gear's not worth a damn, is it?" Very true, especially since '81's had 3.90
final-drives and not 4.10's.
So it ate its first transmission like clockwork at 75,000 miles. I say like
clockwork, because everyone I knew with a Toy at the time said, "expect to
rebuild the trans at 75,000." They were right. A friend of mine with an
AAMCO dealership charged me $200 for a rapid gear swap - did it in a few
hours. At 125,000 I lost every gear except for 4th in Big Sur, 100+ miles
from any mechanic. I nursed it all the way home in 4th, smoking the clutch,
of course. Symptoms beforehand: howling 5th, then 3rd, then 1st, then
nothing but 4th gear.
A quick check of Toyota's service bulletins revealed that Toyota upgraded
the size of the input shaft bearing in '84, so my local racing transmission
shop took that under advisement when I brought it in for a full-on rebuild.
Ron called me and said, "I think you'd better come down and look at this."
He pulled off the cover plate, and the trans looked like pasta primavera
inside. As stuff broke, it took out other stuff. What was useable: 1
transmission case. What was garbage: everything else. Ron milled the case
to accept a larger input shaft bearing (whether this was an updated 22R.
Turbo, or V6 bearing, I don't know). He rebuilt it with all-new factory
parts. He recommended I run RedLine MTL gear oil, and change it once a
year. I took his advice, and that trans has lasted 225,000 miles since
rebuilt (at a cost of $1200).
I do know that the tall gearing combined with tall tires seemed to load the
trans in an unnatural way. I tow a 1000 lb. motorcycle trailer, and it's
much better now with the 4.88's.
Good luck,
- Nick
p.s. I have received a mountain of phone messages, mail, email, and faxes
from all sorts of authoritative types regarding OBD-II and modifications.
Once I get it sorted out, I will post it here.
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:32:18 -0500 (EST)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Toy Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I usually swap newer engines in my trucks 6-10 years newer than the rest of
the truck and eveything fits into place. My 84 4runner has a 94 22RE engine
that I had to convert to carburator. My 83 has a 1991 engine, so it is
possible to swap trannies regardeless of the year they will match to the
engines you only need to swap connectors, and is better to swap the whole
unit tranny/transfer, I suspect depending on the lenght you may have to
adjust the drivshaft (cut it may be).
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 21:03:16 -0800 (PST)
From: fosters@OctoNet.com (nadine foster)
Subject: Toy transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Mike Williams asked
< has anyone swapped in a later model tranny and transfer case?
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:13:37 -0500
From: critchpw@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Subject: Trannys
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
To my knowledge, Toyota has used the same setup for it's 5-speeds throughout
the years 80-ish to 88. I know that for a while, the tranny and transfer case
were one unit. This occurred from 81-83 I believe. Also, on newer trucks, i.e.
90's units, the transfer case shift lever is in a different location than
in previous years.
At any rate, the five speeds are pretty much all the same, and you could
definitely swap an '86 tranny into an 81 truck. I apoligize for not having
the definite dates on the differences; I don't have my Toy manuals with me.
NWOR is a good source for info.- and they state the years of trannys that you
can use. Downey has also been quite helpful to me with questions.
Hope this helps!
- -Paul
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:50:14 -0500
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Yota Trannies
To: " - (052)smurphy (a) person.net"
Steve:
The $900 quote seems a tad high - esp for a core return.
I paid $900 outrihgt - no core required. BUT
- I got mine through the dealer parts counter
I did that beceasue then THEY could deal with the screw-ups - good thing too,
the first tranny they got was the wrong one
the second had a busted bell housing (slave cylinger boss busted)
the third was just right (well its worked for 80K so far)
Prices may vary depending on your area.
I blew out "4th" but in reality it was just the shifter fork.
I also have spoken to several people who rebuilt the tranny RIGHT, and
it almost ends up killing you for all the shims and bearings and the
immense hassle of tearing it apart and putting it back togethter, that
it make sense to just get a junkyard tranny. None of the people who
did it RIGHT would bother trying to tear it apart - or bother with a rebuilt
either - just get a low mileage unit from the yard (no core) and put it in.
Then when you are curious - you can take yours apart.
Mine's in my living room as the coffee table - can you tell Im still
single :)
FYI - last I checked a CRATE tranny - NEW and from the factory cost
about $1500 - that gives you the high end price.
EWong
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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 18:57:40 -0800
From: Mike Williams
Subject: Toy Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Sorry I haven't gotten back sooneer but I just changed ISP.
First thanks to all that answered my questions about rebuilding or
swapping out 5 speed transmissions in an early model pickup.
Nick Krest and Wayne Foster you two really hit the mark. As Wayne
stated Toyota upgraded its five speed transmissions in November 1982.
Toyota upgraded its input shaft bearing from 75mm to 80mm in diameter
and changed from a non-sealed bearing to a sealed bearing for its
output shaft.
Wayne correct me if I am wrong but I believe that these transmissions
would self destruct because of lubrication problems. I also understand
that Toyota has an upgraded input shaft bearing that incorporates a pickup
tube(?) to correct this problem. Have you heard of this? If so in your
opinion does it in fact work?
Nick you had the other answers to my questions. I bought my pickup new
in 1981 and it has 65,000 miles on it now (always had a company vehicle
to drive). So my transmission is just now starting to growl. I was
wondering about rebuilding the transmission and boring out the case to
fit in an upgraded bearing (sounds like you have done this successfully).
My other questions were would a premium gear oil help and it sounds like
yes. Finally after all this work would the transmission last and from your
experience it sounds like yes.
Thanks for the comments everyone.
Mike Williams
'81 SR5
5"lift
35 BFG
5.29 gears
limited slip
+ a growling transmission (not for long hopefully)
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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:03:19 -0700
From: Tony Bartlett
Subject: response to lower gears means weaker gears
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Sorry about your transmission. I do not know what year of truck you
have but it is known that the older 5 speed trannys (I think 84 and
older) had small(weak) bearing on the 5th/reverse shaft. I had mine go
bad on me. I got lucky that my only problem was popping out of reverse.
When I opened up my tranny I found that bearing went bad and my reverse
gear had a broken tooth. I do not know what went bad first. I have a
1985 and the problem was still present in my tranny. The thing that
caused the problem are running bigger tires. I am not sure but I think
when you regear your truck for the bigger tires it actually is better
for the trans than running bigger tires with stock gears. I have 33
inch tires with stock gears. I will be going to 5.29:1 ring and pinion
next week. I have been running 33 inch tires for about 9 years now and
I only had the problem once. I was able to find a used bearing and gear
at a tranny shop for $20. Got real lucky on the price. That was about
four years ago.
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:23:32 MST7MDT
From: "Alan Anderson"
Subject: 5-speed self destruct
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
The L52 is the dud with the small input bearing.
>but Toyota used a newer and stronger 5-speed in its new model in 1984...
Anyone know the model number of the stronger box ?
I have a G52 5-speed, anyone else got one of these ?
The stronger gear box was introduced because of the higher output EFI
motors in '84 and newer rigs, the v-6 also got a special gear box as
well, the 4 popper had a TX5 and the bent 6 had a TX15 the TX5 is
not as strong as the TX15 but they are not interchangable because of
the tranny-to-bellhousing bolt patterns hope this helps,
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:19:43 +0000
From: "Mike Williams"
Subject: Toyota G52 5-speed
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On 28 Feb 97 , Juha Sarimaa wrote:
> Subject: 5-speed self destruct?
> OK,
>
> The L52 is the dud with the small input bearing.
> >but Toyota used a newer and stronger 5-speed in its new model in 1984...
>
> Anyone know the model number of the stronger box ?
> I have a G52 5-speed, anyone else got one of these ?
After some searching I have found limited information on the
G52 transmission. The G52 transmission was used in both the 4Runner
and pickup in 1984. This transmission is generally regarded as a
stronger transmission than the previously used L52.
Mike Williams
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Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:07:44 +0000
From: "Mike Williams"
Subject: 5-Speed Self Destruct
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Well, my five speed is finally rebuilt and installed along with a new
clutch. The transmission rebuild was an "educational" experience.
For all of you '81-'83 5-speed pickup owners that have heard about the
input shaft bearings going bad and destoying the entire transmission
- -- It is fact not rumor.
After we opened up the case and disassembled the tranny, we found the
input shaft bearing ready to disintegrate and wipe-out all the gears
in the transmission. It seems that by design the front input bearing
does not receive a lot of lubrication (a Toyota upgrade kit fixes this
problem). So the bearing will run dry at times, when this happens the
bearings start flaking metal into the tranny fluid and the bearing
assembly starts to fracture. The outer race of my input shaft bearing
was fractured and ready to drop onto the gears in the transmission.
(The constant loud growling is the warning sign that the bearing is
ready to "explode".)
The metal particles that flake off the dry bearing end up in the
tranny fluid. This makes the fluid somewhat "abrasive" and
accelerates the wear of other bearings and synchronizer rings.
So I replaced 5 bearings in the tranny and 5 synchro rings.
Unfortunately, (read expensive) these parts are available only from
Toyota (most expensive bearing $105 & least expensive $40).
After the tranny was rebuilt, I reviewed the suggestions from many
people and decided with my style of driving a Centerforce I clutch
would be best. So I removed my old Downey Super Clutch. And yes as
everyone has said the pilot bearing is a pain to remove and I even had
a puller.
The tranny is installed, the Centerforce I is installed along with a
new through-out and pilot bearings. The clutch feels great and the
transmission is so quiet - I don't have to crank up my stereo to drown
out the noise.
What did I learn - tranny rebuilds are expensive, the Centerforce I
seems like a good clutch (so far), pilot bearings do come out. And I
cannot speak for Nick Krest, but as I interpret his ideas - Nick has
suggested changing tranny fluid often. I think Nick changes fluid
approximately every 12,000 miles and uses RedLine MTL brand fluid.
After seeing the inside of my worn transmission, I wholeheartedly
agree with the idea (the 12,000 mile changes will give one the
opportunity to inspect the old tranny fluid for signs of metal wear.)
By following this procedure Nick has managed to log over 225,000
miles on his rebuilt tranny.
Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and comments
(about clutches and transmissions) with me both on the list and
privately.
Mike Williams
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mwill@ctos.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:46:03 -0500 (EST)
From: TXPakRat@aol.com
Subject: Manual Tranny
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I have a '90 4Runner SR5 V6 with the manual 5speed. I change the tranny,
xfer case, and diff fluids as recommended, check them regularly, and use
synthetics. At about 45,000 I had to have 3rd gear and the synchro replaced
(under warranty) because of grinding when downshifting. Over the last few
months, I have noticed that shifting is getting kind of stiff and notchy. It
is not really grinding, but you can feel it catch as it goes into gear. It
is especially noticable in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. It seems to clear up (but not
completely) once the tranny is warm. On cold days I have to force it into
1st (downshifting with the clutch on the floor) and it feels like it is
binding. To avoid this, when the weather is cold, I come to a compete sto
before down shifting into 1st. First has always been tight in cold weather,
but it seems to be worse. I changed the fluids less than 5,000 miles ago (I
am just getting ready to turn 80K), but it didn't seem to help. When they
worked on my tranny at 45,000, they only replaced 3rd and the 3rd synchro.
They did not replace anything on the clutch. Does it sound like I need to
have the clutch worked on? I don't work on my tranny, xfer case, diffs, or
drive shafts other than fluids (note another thread, I also don't do my own
brakes!). I am not a mechanic and don't have the expertise (or time) to
delve that deep. If it sounds like my clutch needs work, what could be the
problem and how much do you think it would run (I am on a tight budget . . .
taking the family to Disney World this summer - driving, another reason I
want to aleviate any possible problems)?
By the way, if it helps, I have about a 1.5" to 2" lift and I am running
32's. I ran the stock 225's up to about 33,000 and then 31's up to 73,000.
I have not changed the stock 4.10 gearing in the diffs.
Thanks in advance!
Bob 'Pack Rat' Wren
TXPakRat@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:07:50 -0800
From: Scott Wilson
Subject: Manual Tranny
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
My 88 4Runner SR5 V6 behaves -exactly- as you just described. I've only
had it about 8 months, so I can't say I've every notice a change, I
agree it doesn't shift differently when it is cold. I've always assumed
it's pretty normal, I've heard other people on this with similar
complaints. I really hate the notchy shifting also, just doesn't feel
'right.'
Am I wrong, is it not normal?
Scott
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Scott Wilson TLCA #5261
88 4Runner SR5 V6
Santa Clara, CA
http://users.uniserve.com/~rcomber/scottw/scottw.htm
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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:53:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Albrecht
Subject: Manual Tranny
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 TXPakRat@aol.com wrote:
> (under warranty) because of grinding when downshifting. Over the last few
> months, I have noticed that shifting is getting kind of stiff and notchy. It
> is not really grinding, but you can feel it catch as it goes into gear. It
> is especially noticable in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. It seems to clear up (but not
> completely) once the tranny is warm. On cold days I have to force it into
> 1st (downshifting with the clutch on the floor) and it feels like it is
My tranny on my old truck (1987, 22r, 130k) felt like that too. I think
it was the syncro's.
> binding. To avoid this, when the weather is cold, I come to a compete sto
> before down shifting into 1st. First has always been tight in cold weather,
> but it seems to be worse. I changed the fluids less than 5,000 miles ago (I
> am just getting ready to turn 80K), but it didn't seem to help. When they
Yeah, same here.
> worked on my tranny at 45,000, they only replaced 3rd and the 3rd synchro.
> They did not replace anything on the clutch. Does it sound like I need to
> have the clutch worked on? I don't work on my tranny, xfer case, diffs, or
> drive shafts other than fluids (note another thread, I also don't do my own
> brakes!).
No, it wouldn't be your clutch. It could be that it's not fully releasing
(this can be adjusted at the pedal, up under the dash), or that the pilot
bearing isn't as smooth as it used to be.
The pilot bearing is the one that sits inside the flywheel, and allows the
input shaft (from the tranny) to spin at a different speed than the
flywheel, If this bearing is going out, then it can make shifting harder.
The good news: It's cheap (like 5 bucks)
The bad news: you gotta pull the tranny and clutch to get to it, and it's
a pain to remove once you do get to it.
When I did my clutch, I checked my pilot bearing, and found that it wasn't
quite as easy to spin as I'd like, so I did replace it. Between replacing
that, changing the tranny fluid (again), and re-adjusting the clutch pedal
(including removing the bump stop so I could get even more travel) I found
that it shifted a little better, but still wasn't as smooth as I'd like.
That's why I think it was probably just bad syncro's.
When it's hard to downshift, the best thing to do is a 'double clutch'.
That's where you shift into neutral, let out the clutch, rev the engine,
push in the clutch, and quick shift the tranny into first. It takes a bit
of getting used to, but once you get the hang of it, you don't even need
syncro's. (I learned how to do this on my jeep, and even though it didn't
have a syncro first, I could downshift into first at even 15mph, which was
just about redline 1st) This is also better for the tranny.
>By the way, if it helps, I have about a 1.5" to 2" lift and I am running
>32's. I ran the stock 225's up to about 33,000 and then 31's up to 73,000.
>I have not changed the stock 4.10 gearing in the diffs.
Shouldn't make much difference. I know this isn't what you want to here,
but it's probably your syncro's.
Jonathan Albrecht
albr9619@uidaho.edu
http://www.uidaho.edu/~albr9619/
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 06:59:06 PST
From: "Jared Rogers"
Subject: Shifts hard
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
>I was just wondering if anyone could lend some insight on a shifting
>problem. I just bought the truck ('87 4x4 X-cab 5spd) with 113Kmi and have
>put on a couple thousand more. The guy told me he put a new clutch in 500
>miles ago (in order to sell the truck). Now what happens is it goes into
>gear hard- all gears, but the lower ones more than the higher ones.
>sometimes i really have to force it to get first. and to get reverse i
>usually have to put it in second or else i get that ugly grinding noise
>which we all hate so much.
I'd suggest draining a quart of oil out of your transmission and replacing it
with a quart of GM Synchromesh (Available at your local GM dealer for about
$10/qt). This makes shifting a lot easier and reverse works better, too.
Be sure to let us know your results after you've done this.
Jared Rogers
1989 Toyota 4x4 DX X-CAB V6
1990 Toyota Celica GT-S
1991 Toyota 4runner SR5 4WD V6
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:52:53 -0600
From: "F. Torres"
Subject: Shifts hard
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
> I was just wondering if anyone could lend some insight on a shifting
> problem. I just bought the truck ('87 4x4 X-cab 5spd) with 113Kmi and have
> put on a couple thousand more. The guy told me he put a new clutch in 500
> miles ago (in order to sell the truck). Now what happens is it goes into
> gear hard- all gears, but the lower ones....
Have you thought about replacing the shifter seat and bushing.
I had similar problems with my '85 5spd p.u. and my 90 V6 4Runner.
I pulled the shift lever retainer (4 bolts) and pulled the shifter seat
and replaced the old with new. The old shifter seat was all but gone.
New parts at the dealer were about $12 bucks for seat and bushing.
My dealer suggested I do this after they drove my 4Runner around.
My dealer is the second best resource. This list is my first.
Hope this helps
Frank Torres
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 09:06:17 PST
From: barney@flowpoint.com (Barney McNamara)
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Frank wrote:
>Have you thought about replacing the shifter seat and bushing.
>I had similar problems with my '85 5spd p.u. and my 90 V6 4Runner.
>I pulled the shift lever retainer (4 bolts) and pulled the shifter seat
>and replaced the old with new. The old shifter seat was all but gone.
>New parts at the dealer were about $12 bucks for seat and bushing.
My problem is sloppy transmission shift lever action. The lever moves side
to side when I shift. I've had interference between the trans lever and the
xfer case lever. It's so bad that when I shift quickly, I can knock the xfer
case out of 4 wheel low by banging it with the trans lever. I have already
bent the xfer lever once for more clearance, but last time I was out, it
happened again. (I have no problem finding gears in normal operation, just
acts sloppy.)
Is changing the shifter seat and bushing a common thing?
Can it help reduce slop?
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:37:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Geiger
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
>
> My problem is sloppy transmission shift lever action. The lever moves side
> to side when I shift. I've had interference between the trans lever and the
> xfer case lever. It's so bad that when I shift quickly, I can knock the xfer
> case out of 4 wheel low by banging it with the trans lever. I have already
> bent the xfer lever once for more clearance, but last time I was out, it
> happened again. (I have no problem finding gears in normal operation, just
> acts sloppy.)
I have seen this problem in a samurai and the problem was any easy fix
there is a pin just under the shifter that needes to be replaced. Don't
have the part number but I am sure that a trip to the local toyota dealer
will have you on your way in no time.
Chris Geiger http://geiger.mcl.ucsb.edu/offroad.html
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:56:28 -0500 (EST)
From: SKeene8194@aol.com
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 97-04-04 13:43:35 EST, you write:
<< I can knock the xfer case out of 4 wheel low by banging it with the trans
lever. >>
My 81 trans recenly rebuilt does the same thing. I was told by other Toyota
drivers on the trail that it is a design problem. You'll just have to learn
to shift the main stick around the Xfer stick. This is probably why they
designed so much play into the main stick.
Steve Keene
skeene8194@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 07:22:55 -0700
From: nickkrest@batnet.com (Nick Krest)
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Steve Keene wrote:
"My 81 trans recenly rebuilt does the same
thing (sloppy shifting). I was told by other
Toyota drivers on the trail that it is a
design problem. You'll just have to learn
to shift the main stick around the Xfer
stick. This is probably why they designed so
much play into the main stick."
Mine doesn't do it and never has. It's not a Miata shifter, but it's far
tighter and more positive-shifting, than, say, a VW of any type (front- or
rear-drive).
- Nick
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Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:19:40 -0600
From: "F. Torres"
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
> Is changing the shifter seat and bushing a common thing?
> Can it help reduce slop?
Maybe so, I would at least check it out.
Once the rubber shifter seat wears out completly, the shift
lever may start to pop out of gear.
I don't know how often this happens, but I think heat has
some effect on the rubber sifter seat.
Frank Torres
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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:59:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: barneym@scruznet.com (Barney McNamara)
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Steve Keene wrote:
"My 81 trans recenly rebuilt does the same
thing (sloppy shifting). I was told by other
Toyota drivers on the trail that it is a
design problem.
Nick replied:
>Mine doesn't do it and never has. It's not a Miata shifter, but it's far
>tighter and more positive-shifting, than, say, a VW of any type (front- or
>rear-drive).
Frank Torres said:
>Once the rubber shifter seat wears out completly, the shift
>lever may start to pop out of gear.
A previous thread on stick-stick interference implied that not all trans
shifters are in the same place. If a different trans is swapped in with a
non-compatible xfer case, interference can be the result. I'm pretty sure
my trans is not original - I saw the tell-tale yellow junkyard marking on
it when it was out. My xfer case is probably original, because it is the
thing leaking the most under there. I believe my main intereference problem
is due to that. I improved it greatly by bending the xfer case shift lever.
I still have a lot of slop, mine does feel a lot like a VW bug, maybe that's
why I can shift it after driving that thing for 250K :-) Frank's suggestion
that it is a piece of rubber down there makes it easy to believe it is worn
out on my beast. Plus another poster suggested a small metal pin that could
also be worn, another possiblity after 208K miles of hard life.
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
______________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 14:47:02 -0500
From: Steve Capuano
Subject: shifter seat and bushing
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Plus another poster suggested a small metal pin that could
>also be worn, another possiblity after 208K miles of hard life.
I know a guy that upon shifting into second busted his knuckles open when
the shift handle came out of the tranny. Course it was a F**d Ranger. ;)
Steve Capuano
capuano@hypercon.com
NRA lifetime member
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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:47:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Toy4x4s@aol.com
Subject: shifter slop
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
A few of you were talking about shifter slop...
Well I had a similar problem in my 88 4Runner v-6 5 speed... I was going down
the highway one day... shifted to 5th and the shifter went clear up to the
dash!!! Scared the pee out of me! I pulled oved and looked... nothing seemed
amiss... So I cautiously drove it a week or 2 but this was bugging me... my
shifter moved all around on that R side... So one day I tore it apart... from
the top. I took out the 4 bolts that hold the shifter lever onto the
tranny... then took apart the lever from the part with the 4 bolts (tower).
There was a greenish colored seal that needed replacing, and the reason it
moved so freeley where it wasn't supposed to was because there are 2 pin
looking things that are at about 9 and 3 o clock. One of these was broken
allowing it to move all around on that side... So I took the whole assembly
to Toyota parts to show them what I needed, instead of trying to describe
it... They had the seal, but the pin that was broken they didn't show as
being available... You had to buy the whole tower assy!!!. So we took our
parts over to Napa and they let us look through their roller pins.... we
found one that was reasonably the same size and put it in... it's been
shifting fine ever since...
June Bennett
TLCA 2942
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:24:23 -0600
From: Tony Bartlett
Subject: Tranny shot (Christian Nousaine)
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
Hi everyone, this is geared towards Christian or anyone else with tranny
problems. I recently talked with Marlin Czajkowski (marlin crawler) I
am not sure if it is for all transmissions or not but he will rebuild
them (at least mine 1985) for around $550. You would just need to get
it to him. He is located in Fresno, CA. Give him a call if interested
at (209) 252-7295. He is very knowledgable with Toyotas.
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:34:10 -0600
From: "ARTHUR RUMPF"
Subject: BEEN THERE
To:
Noticed several questions on late into early trannies. My 82 (SR5 short
bed) 5 speed died within a year of the first rebuild with a quote of over
$1000 from Toyota just for the parts!!!!. (Maybe it was the NWOR
supercharger) I picked up a late model tranny/transfer and front driveshaft
(supposedly from an 89 four runner) from a boneyard for $900. After
talking to Marlin of Marlin Crawler fame the tranny is not an 89 but an 86
or so from a pickup. It has a removable bell housing and the xfer shifter
is in the top of the xfer case. Anyway, here's how it went:
Tranny bolts right up to engine, no problem. Had to make new holes in
floor since shift levers were farther to the rear. Factory crossmember
moved to the rear exactly the distance of the holes in the crossmember. The
front holes in the cross member lined up with the former rear holes in the
frame . This leaves the rear cross member holes hanging so I welded some
1/4" x 2" angle iron to the frame to fully bolt up the cross member.
The late models used larger driveshafts and also larger flanges on the
transfer case and differentials. The flanges were interchangeable from
tranny to differential and year to year, so since I had a good front drive
shaft (late model) I took the large flange from the rear of the transfer
and put it on the front differential and visa versa. This made the front
shaft a bolt in. My original rear driveshaft had worn splines (and was now
too long) but the original front shaft was fine so I had a shop make a new
rear shaft using the front splines. I gave him the CV joint in exchange for
a price break on the deal. Now I had a good rear shaft with small flanges
and a good front shaft with large flanges and didn't have to chase down any
parts. The alternative I guess would be to use the late drive shafts from
the same wheel base vehicle and buy\scrounge the flanges for the
differentials. That was 50,000 miles ago and no problems since. One of the
4X4 mags did a quicky article with a few pics on this swap (which is where
I got the idea) but unfortunately I didn't keep it.
A side note to all this is how much the Toyota dealers are boning us for
parts. Turns out some dirt had gotten into the rear bearing of the tranny,
so I took it (the bearing) back to the boneyard. They gave me an invoice to
take to the dealer for a new bearing so I could get the whole thing back
together that day. The same bearing in the 82 was $55.00 my price, the
price to the boneyard for the late model bearing was $15.00!!!!!! Why do
they do this to their loyal customers??????????
I know this combo works in this vehcle, but have no experience with any
others. Hope this helps.
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:17:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dr. Karl Bellve"
Subject: BEEN THERE
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
> take to the dealer for a new bearing so I could get the whole thing back
> together that day. The same bearing in the 82 was $55.00 my price, the
> price to the boneyard for the late model bearing was $15.00!!!!!! Why do
> they do this to their loyal customers??????????
This reminds me of Brown's Toyota in Baltimore, Maryland. They advertise
in the 4x4 mags. If you call one number, you get the wholesale price. If
you call the local number, you get the retail price. Even if you call the
wholesale number, they sometimes forget to give you the right price (new
stock boy, I guess). When I lived locally to Brown's, I would call to get
the wholesale price, then drive down to pick the part up. Then they would
quote me the retail price once I got there which was 4x as much. I then
would remind them of the correct cost and they would give it to me. Other
customers in the parts room always had their jaws on the floor. :-)
Dr. Karl Bellve
Biomedical Imaging Group
University of Massachusetts
WWW : http://molmed.ummed.edu/~kdb/
Email: kdb@molmed.ummed.edu
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Date: 17 Apr 1997 10:53:18 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski"
Subject: Transmission upgrade
To: "Toyota 4x4 List"
Subject: Time: 10:16 AM
OFFICE MEMO Transmission upgrade Date: 4/17/97
callahan@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU (Phil Callahan) wrote:
snip
>Given the expertise of this newsgroup, does
>anyone have any suggestions as to which model/year tranny I
>should be looking for, given that I will using the 22R, but
>anticipating a 4.3 upgrade in the future?
Toyota went back to the removeable beelhousing in late '84.
This is the type tranny you will need to mate it to the 4.3.
'85 and later trannies are the most problem free.
_______________________________________
Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY)
Gilbert, AZ
ryna10@email.sps.mot.com
http://www.netzone.com/~jayk
Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club TLCA #3243
_______________________________________
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Willoughby
Subject: Transmission upgrade
To: callahan@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU, list Toyota4x4
My 82 transmission is crapped out too, only after 50k miles of mostly
highway driving, If at all possible, avoid the $950 rebuild since you
will have to replace that one in a short time. I am still trying to
figure out what to do on this problem, I don't want to replace mine with
another piece of $900 S**t!!, especially an older truck. I have talked
to a local wreking yard here in Reno, and they said that putting in an 84
or newer transmission has a great deal of modifications and welding
required. That was just one source of info. Also, try taking the
transmission in to a transmission shop, and have yours rebuilt if you
decide to go this route. I only had to spend $500-600 on mine, provided
that my input shaft wasn't all gauled up from the bearings going out.
the $950 is probably to cover ther butt at the parts store in case all
of the gears and shafts aren't any good. I'll keep you posted if I find out
more on this nightmare of a Toyota 4x4 problem.
- -CHris
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:19:33 -0400
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Trannies and 'chargers
To: " - (052)Toy4x4 (a) tlca.org" ,
ARTHUR RUMPF wrote:
Noticed several questions on late into early trannies. My 82 (SR5 short
bed) 5 speed died within a year of the first rebuild with a quote of over
$1000 from Toyota just for the parts!!!!. (Maybe it was the NWOR
supercharger) I picked up a late model tranny/transfer and front driveshaft
(supposedly from an 89 four runner) from a boneyard for $900. After
talking to Marlin of Marlin Crawler fame the tranny is not an 89 but an 86
or so from a pickup. It has a removable bell housing and the xfer shifter
is in the top of the xfer case.
I'd have to disagree with Marlin here:
THe 89 4Runners were and odd duck. It was the "old" body style (83-88)
with the IFS (ala 86-88 pickups) but with the NEWER EFI intake
(similar to the 89-92+ pickups)
Anyway - the 5 speeds used (W56) had the later style removable bell
housing, but also had the xfer shifter in the xfer case.
Anyway - it drove the yard guys bats - but I did get the
"proper" tranny in the end.
btw - how you you like the 'charger?
(would you do it again given the choice?)
EWong
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:09:11 -0400
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: Trannies
To: " - (052)toy4x4 (a) tlca.org"
I Thought I posted this once - heres the 83-85 section for :
1983 Truck RN 4x2 22R W42 4 spd man
W52 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R L52 5 spd man
LN 4x2 L G52 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1984 Truck RN 4x2 22R W42 4 spd man
22-RE W52 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G52 5 spd man
LN 4x2 2L G52 5 spd man
LN 4x4 2L G52 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1985 Truck RN 4x2 22R W46 4 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
A340E 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G52 5 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
LN 4x2 2L G52 5 spd man
2L-T W56 5 spd man
4x4 2L-T W56 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Willoughby
Subject: transmissions
To: list Toyota4x4
on 4/22/97 steve wrote:
Does anyone know if there are any differences between the 1983 tranny and a
1984 or 85 tranny? I understand the later models hold up better. But if
they require major modifications to install is it worth it?
One other problem I have is a strange one...
The truck cranks fine(22R carb) but will not idle until the engine temp is
normal operating temp. and you kill the engine and let sit for 30 sec. to 5
min, then when you crank it up idles just fine.
Any thought greatly appreciated
Steve
I just returned from the "boneyard" as all of you refer to it. I found a
1986 transmission ("single- stick") and transfer case for $550. The
manager said he would throw in crossmember, driveshafts and flanges for an
extra $100. So, $650 ($700 with Nevada state tax) and I can have a beter
designed transmission. He indicated the single stick (transfer and tras
shift lever in sperate sockets) have a better track record for holding up.
Anyway, to answer your question Steve, The modifications that, as I seem
to understand, involve getting the drivelines from a newer truck, as the
flange is slightly larger than the 79-83 models. Also, new flanges on
the third members on the axle will be needed to bolt on the new
drivelines. The flanges are interchangeable for the axles. The engine
block is still the same, so it should bolt right in. The boneyard manger
said I would need a different clutch disk to fit on the newer model input
shaft, but when I checked with an autoparts store, the clutch disc had
the same part number for 83 as 86, and up to 88.
As far as I could tell, the trick modifications will be to cut out the
floor to fit the shifters in since the newer style trans is longer.
Also, the cross member will not be properly aligned, so I hear it
involves welding on L brackets to the frame for in order to put on the
cross member.
I think I am going to go for it, it doesn't seem to bad, and the price is
only a little more than getting my old one rebulit (just to last the next
50k miles) So, I'll let the list know how it goes!!
- -CHris
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Willoughby
Subject: 5 speed trans
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I just got done installing a 1988 'single stick' 5 speed in my 1982
pickup. the single stick is jargon for having one shifter in the transfer
case, and another in the gear box. In 1984 - 1986, the dual stick was in
place, where the transfer and gearbox shifters were both located on the
tail shaft housing between the gearbox and transfer case. The owner of
the transmission shop (Adolf Zierke, Placerville Transmission, CA)
indicated the the single stick is a very well built transmission.
The weakest 5 speed gearboxes are '79-83
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 07:51:03 -0400
From: "penny"
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To:
Im trying to figure out which tranny my 82 toy 4x4 has.When i bought her
the guy said he put an 86 model 4 speed and rear axle in....The trans
does not have a removable bellhousing.Both shifters come out the top
(top loader?) I can see someone had to remove a liitle metal where these
shifters come through the floor.
In 4low the shifter knocks my transfer case in neutral if i shift into
second gear.they hit each other...has anyone else had this problem? any
ideas?
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 16:26:04 -0700
From: Barney McNamara
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org, "penny"
I had the same problem - knocking shifters - in my '83. I solved it by
removing the xfer case lever and bending it after heating it with a torch.
It sits cock-eyed now, but is basically out of the way. I have a similar
setup. I'm sure it's not the stock tranny, it's a 5speed and the truck is not
an SR5 - stock was a 4-speed, I think.
My setup - 5 speed - shifters out the top - one on xfer case, the other on
the tranny. I also am wondering what type of tranny it is. Am I living on
borrowed time on a tranny due to blow? Mine shifts and sounds fine, except
for a blown synchro in 4th, but I can deal with that with careful shift
timing. Strange, but double clutching doesn't help.
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
______________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 21:49:39 -0700
From: Brandon Miller
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
I'm not an expert but I have had enough problems to know a little about
the trannies. The oldest cast iron is an 83' and it is the strongest of
the weakest. This is because it uses differrent bearings, it is the one
to have if you want a one piecer. I called Marlin once about the pros
and cons and he spent about an hour telling me the difference, his
number is on his page and I'm sure he wouldn't mind talking to you. I
think the 85 is the strongest using the same tcase and an 88 or so if
your changing the tcase, nobody what change is made you'll need to
shorten/lengthen drivelines so if you've got stock drivelines it isn't
newer and if it is a one piece it is 83 or pre...
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 21:51:59 -0700
From: Brandon Miller
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
>I can see someone had to remove a liitle metal where these
>shifters come through the floor.
Does it have a body lift?
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:44:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Willoughby
To: Barney McNamara
Cc: Toy4x4@tlca.org, Chris Willoughby
Subject: Re: 5 speed trans
Chris wrote:
>I just got done installing a 1988 'single stick' 5 speed in my 1982
>pickup. the single stick is jargon for having one shifter in the transfer
>case, and another in the gear box. In 1984 - 1986, the dual stick was in
>place
Barney responded:
> Is this the one with removeable bell-housing? I didn't know the trans
> changed after '85. How does it fit in the truck? Do the levers overlap,
> does the xfer case get knocked out of 4-low when shifting the trans
> from 1 to 2?
Yes, this gear box has a removable bellhousing. Supposedly, the single
stick trans that I installed was built when pickups switched from carb to
EFI. The trans barely fits in the truck. the bellhousing bolts up fine,
buts the clearence at the top of the tranny is a little tight in the area
of the transfer case shifter. I alleviated this problem by cutting out a
hole there since I had to for the shifter in the first place. The
transmissioin is about 4" longer than the 1982 model that used to be
installed, so I had cut a new hole for the transfercase shifter anyway,
while the gearbox shifter occupied the hole the old transfer case shifter
occupied. I installed the shifter boot that goes with the newer tranny
because it was larger and covered up the new holes I cut. I used the
shifters that came with the tranny, so there was no problem with
interference. The transfer case shifter sits in the notch in my bench
seat. If you have a straight accross bench seat, I can see this as being
a problem. For the crossmember, I rotated my old one around and two of
the holes lined up with the two back ones on the frame. I drilled through
the frame to get a 3rd bolt in on each side of the crossmember. From
previous posts to this list, I have heard that a cross member from the
1984-1988 truck fits beter, with the two front holes lining up with the
two rear holes on the frame. The boneyard gave me the wrong crossmember,
so I had to make the old one work. One problem i may have with flipping
it around is that the rubber mount in a little torqued from the differeing
angles on the transmission and crossmember inner surface. For the
drivelines, I had to get ones from a 1985 toyota truck, the rear is ~4"
shorter, and the front is ~4" longer than my old driveshafts. Also, I had
to put new flanges on my axles that would accept the newer drivelines.
The reverse light switch and spedometer cable hooked right up to the
newer transmission, but the 4X4 indicator light switch on the transfer
case will require some modifications to fit onto the older wiring harness.
the new tranny shifts sooo much nicer, and its nice to give my friends a
ride without them saying, "gee your gearbox sounds like it has gravel in
it"
hope this helps out some...
-Chris Willoughby
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From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
To:
Subject: FW: Trannies
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:23:21 -0400
Barney:
More tranny infor than you might care to see....
>>>>>>
Eric, Jack
I did not post this to the yota list cause I did not know how the
format would turn out since my email is in Lotus Notes.
I can send an Excell spreadsheet if you think that would be better.
Eric: Hmm - your site has alot of info, but I thought this might prove
interesting. I copied it from a Yota Special Service Tool (SST)
catalog. These are tools that are for the dealer to "take apart"
yota stuff. They are carried by OTC - which makes the special
tools for the big three as well.
Great tools.
Mucho bucks.
The catalog is from 1990. The later catalogs do NOT have the
list in them :(
EWong
Year Type Designation Drive Engine Tranny Tranny Type
1981 Truck RN 4x2 22R L48 4 spd man
W50 5 spd man
A43 3 spd auto
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R L45 4 spd man
L52 5 spd man
LN 4x2 L L52 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1982 Truck RN 4x2 22R L48 4 spd man
L52 5 spd man
W50 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R L45 4 spd man
L52 5 spd man
LN 4x2 L L52 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1983 Truck RN 4x2 22R W42 4 spd man
W52 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R L52 5 spd man
LN 4x2 L G52 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1984 Truck RN 4x2 22R W42 4 spd man
22-RE W52 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G52 5 spd man
LN 4x2 2L G52 5 spd man
LN 4x4 2L G52 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1985 Truck RN 4x2 22R W46 4 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
A340E 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G52 5 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
LN 4x2 2L G52 5 spd man
2L-T W56 5 spd man
4x4 2L-T W56 5 spd man
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1986 Truck RN 4x2 22R W46 4 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
22-RTE G52 5 spd man
R150 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
A340E 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G52 5 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
22-RTE R151F 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1987 Truck RN 4x2 22R W46 4 spd man
22-RE W55 5 spd man
22-RTE W56 5 spd man
R150 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G52 5 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
22-RTE R151F 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
LandCruiser FJ 2F H42 4 spd man
1988 Truck RN 4x2 22R G40 4 spd man
22-RE W46 4 spd man
22-RTE W55 5 spd man
RN/VN W56 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
RN 4x4 22R G58 5 spd man
22-RE W56 5 spd man
22-RTE R151F 5 spd man
RN/VN 3VZ-E A340H 4 spd auto
LandCruiser FJ 3F-E A440H 4 spd auto
1989 Truck RN 4x2 22R G40 4 spd man
22-RE W46 4 spd man
RN/VN 3VZ-E G57 5 spd man
W55 5 spd man
R150 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
A340E 4 spd auto
RN/VN 4x4 (22R)? G58 5 spd man
RN 22-RE W56 5 spd man
RN/VN 3VZ-E R151F 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
LandCruiser FJ 3F-E A440H 4 spd auto
1990 Truck RN/VN 4x2 22R G40 4 spd man
G57 5 spd man
22-RE W46 4 spd man
W55 5 spd man
A43D 4 spd auto
3VZ-E R150 5 spd man
A340E 4 spd auto
4x4 22-RE W56 5 spd man
G58 5 spd man
A340F 4 spd auto
3VZ-E R150F 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
4Runner RN/VN 4x2 22-RE A44D 4 spd auto
3VZ-E A340E 4 spd auto
4x4 22-RE W56 5 spd man
G58 5 spd man
A340F 4 spd auto
A340H 4 spd auto
3VZ-E R150F 5 spd man
A340H 4 spd auto
LandCruiser FJ 3F-E A440H 4 spd auto
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:04:50 -0400
From: "penny"
Subject: tranny I.D.
To:
yes this truck does have a body lift. today i crawled under it and noticed
trans is all cast iron all the way back to where the shifters are. No
removable bellhousing, shifters on top trans. in front of transfer.
Somewhere I read that toyota made a 5-speed with the same gear ratio as the
4-speed and was wondering if the 4-speed thats in there is the same except
for 5th. Is there any (positive way to identify this crash box?) Thanx for
all the feedback... Jimmy,82 toy4x4
22r,4cyl,4spd.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:36:38 -0700
From: Eric Johnson
Subject: tranny I.D.
To: "'Toy4x4@tlca.org'"
FWIW: The G40 has the same 1-4 gear rations as the common G52, but the G40
was used in much later vehicles than your 82. The 5-speed used in an 82 is
probably an L52. I don't know what its ratios are.
Is the G52 the one with the removeable bellhousing (84-87?)
- --
- -- ej@blarg.net
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Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 07:36:25 -0400
From: Ed.Wong@astramerck.com
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: " - (052)Toy4x4 (a) tlca.org"
Barney wrote >>>
My setup - 5 speed - shifters out the top - one on xfer case, the other on the
tranny. I also am wondering what type of tranny it is. Am I living on borrowed
time on a tranny due to blow? Mine shifts and sounds fine, except for a blown
synchro in 4th, but I can deal with that with careful shift timing. Strange,
but double clutching doesn't help.
<<<
I had a similar problem. It turns out a "wore out" the shifter
pads on the the 4th gear shifter. That came from driving it home
from VT to Philly with a totally toasted u-joint (before I knew
about those things). I ended up putting in a "new" junkyard tranny.
I had beat on the xfer case (too much dwiving in 4WD on icy roads
wiht dry patches on it - expensive, but bettern than putting the
truck into the ditch) so I replace that too at the time.
Just fer yucks, I pulled the old tranny apart - thats how I
knew about the fork problem.
4th gear went because I drove it home in 4th (it didnt make as much
noise at 5th and it vibrated less) - so thats why 4th was trashed.
If finally went out so that I couldnt even get it into 4th. I drove
it fer two weeks (waiting to get the tranny) w/o using 4th.
Hopefully, yers is just a bad synchro.
EWong
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 08:54:54 -0700
From: Barney McNamara
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Penny wrote:
>I can see someone had to remove a little metal where these
>shifters come through the floor.
Brandon responded:
>Does it have a body lift?
My questions -
Does putting in a body lift affect the clearance of the stock
shift levers where they come thru the floor, thus requiring
cutting the floor? (This also screws up the stock shift boots?)
Could the body lift also explain the interference between the
xfer and tranny levers in the 4-low 1st-2nd shift?
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:35:44 -0700
From: Scott Wilson
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Barney McNamara wrote:
> My questions -
> Does putting in a body lift affect the clearance of the stock
> shift levers where they come thru the floor, thus requiring
> cutting the floor? (This also screws up the stock shift boots?)
Yup. When Earle and I got together to drive our very similar trucks, we
noticed the height difference between our shift levers due to my 2" body
lift. The floor around the shifters wasn't modified for my lift, and I
have taken all that apart recently, so I'm sure about it. In my case it
didn't really 'screw up' my shift boots, but yeah, the levers are much
(2") lower in the boot.
> Could the body lift also explain the interference between the
> xfer and tranny levers in the 4-low 1st-2nd shift?
I wouldn't think so. (but I've been wrong before) :b
Scott
- --
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 17:35:55 -0700
From: Barney McNamara
Subject: tranny I.D.
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Eric wrote:
>FWIW: The G40 has the same 1-4 gear rations as the common G52, but the G40
>was used in much later vehicles than your 82. The 5-speed used in an 82 is
>probably an L52. I don't know what its ratios are.
I've pretty much decided I must have the L52 in mine, as the cross member
bolts in on the standard holes. As near as I can tell, the L52 ratios are:
1-3.93 2-2.33 3-1.45 4-1.00 5-0.85
I got these out of a table somewhere, and verified them with my new
tach and speedometer a while ago.
>Is the G52 the one with the removeable bellhousing (84-87?)
According to a table of specs I got from Ed Wong - yes, the 84-87 all
had the G52, 88 had G58. (81-83 5 speeds are all L52)
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
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Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 20:50:42 -0700
From: Brandon Miller
Subject: tranny I.D./shifter clearance
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
My questions -
Does putting in a body lift affect the clearance of the stock
shift levers where they come thru the floor, thus requiring
cutting the floor? (This also screws up the stock shift boots?)
Yes, when you shift into reverse(for example), the shifter is angled
back. Now lift up the body and the body will now rub so that you will
need to cut the floorboard and move your boots accordingly, or replace
them.
Could the body lift also explain the interference between the
xfer and tranny levers in the 4-low 1st-2nd shift?
The only time I had this problem is when I bought some shifter pads from
Cepek, they rubbed so I got rid of them. My transfer case did pop out
of first low, and I finally figured out that it was because it was
rubbing against the body, A little trimming fixed the problem.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:02:47 -0700
From: Brandon Miller
Subject: Missing 5th gear
To: "Toy4x4@tlca.org"
Sounds to me like your trans is going. It happened to me twice. The
'81-'83
4x trans (W52?) has an undersized input shaft bearing and lubrication
problem, which wreaks havoc on the rest of the internals and causes them
to
fail.
The 83 is different than the older years, it has a larger bearing, the
best of the worst so to speak
- --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Brandon Miller email: sac78483@saclink.csus.edu
Sacramento, CA millerb@gaia.ecs.csus.edu
url: http://gaia.ecs.csus.edu/~millerb/4x.html
1983 Toyota LB locked F&R, 5.29:1 gears, roll cage, etc. etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:34:08 -0400
From: Sheldon
Subject: 5 Speed Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
> I have an excellent suggestion. Replace it with a tranny/transfer case
> from a later one like the '86 I put in my '81 Truck. Much better design,
> doesn't fall apart every 35,000 miles and has enough strength to stand up
> to the V6.
>
> You'll have to move the center section of the crossmember back about 4
> inches and reweld it (easy to cut with a hacksaw), shorten the rear
> driveshaft and probably turn the 4WD shift lever around to point forward
> instead of back, but that should really be about it.
>
> Don't throw more good money into that trans. You probably need a lot
> more than synchros, probably need bearings and part of the 5th gear
> assembly, too.
>
> (((Toyota Techs; Refresh my memory as to what goes wrong in these early
> 5-speeds? Thanks.)))
>
> Good Luck.
>
> Dave Schoenberg
> Arvada, Colorado
> '81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself
> Wiring can be good for you!!
>
I was wondering really how many people with 79 thru 83 trannies have had
to replace them? Mine has 150,000, 50,000 of that very hard wheeling /
towing a trailer and still shifts great, only thing I had to ever do was
replace the plastic assembly on the shifter cus it wore out. I had my
tranny out about 8 months ago; while out I took it down to a local tranny
guy I know and trust just to get his opinion, he said it was quote
"cherry". So is 79-83 trannies really that trouble prone or is just a small
problem that everyone keeps talking about?
Sheldon
83ToY4x4
sgard@flnet.com
http://www.flnet.com/~sgard/
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 21:45:01 -0800
From: Christian Nousaine
Subject: '79-'83 tranny's
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Yes it realy is a problem, but only if you use 5th gear enough to
cause it. I had my '82 5speed tranny rebuilt twice, it has a total of
130,000 miles, this 3rd time it went (altough not becuase it of the
5th gear syncros) i replaced it with a '81 4spd, bolted right up. The
trannys themselves besides the overdrive are quite tough as mine
atested to the third time it went. The 84 and latter trannys require
welding becuase of the differnt bolt pattern.
- --Christian Nousaine-
'82 Long box Pre-Run
'92 std cab, shorty.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:25:07 -0600
From: daves8@juno.com (DAVE SCHOENBERG)
Subject: 5 Speed Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In '83 1/2, Toyota came out with a new 5-speed because the one from '81,
'82' early '83 was so bad. I assume you have the later trans. As I
recall, the earlier trans used to go through bearings (especially the
input shaft bearing) very regularly. When I originally bought this '81 I
have now, the tranny was shot. Wouldn't stay in second gear, then
started having the same problem with the other gears.
If the trans in your '81-'83 has a bell housing that is part of the case,
you have the bad trans. The '83 1/2 has a detachable bell housing. If
you do have the old one, I just have to assume that you've been very
lucky.
(((Toyota techs-am I right about the bell housing, etc. on the old trans?
It's been a while.)))
Dave Schoenberg
Arvada, Colorado
'81 Toy/'86 EFI engine/5-spd/xfer--an' I did it all myself
Wiring can be good for you!!
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:52:11 -0700
From: James Brink
Subject: 5 Speed Transmission
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
The detachable bellhousing came into play with the introduction of the
G-series transmissions, '83.5-'84. The earlier L-type transmissions had
the integral bellhousing, a top mounted case cover,and an iron case. All
G-series transmissions have aluminum cases.
The earlier trans. problems consisted of weak input, counter shaft, and
center bearing problems.
- --
Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician
Manhattan Beach, CA
brinkjm@earthlink.net '86 Std. Bed/32"BFG A/T
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Date: 28 Aug 1997 09:08:43 -0700
From: "Jay Kopycinski"
Subject: Broken '80 4 speed
To: "Toyota 4x4 List"
Subject: Time: 8:33 AM
OFFICE MEMO Broken '80 4 speed Date: 8/28/97
Locke Christman wrote:
>If I go with a later model 5 speed, will my '80 t-case bolt to it? If
>so, what year(s) tranny is recommended?
Just remember that the 5 speed is about 4" longer than the
4 speed so you have to move the transfer case back and
change the driveshaft lengths.
Not sure which trannies will bolt up to which transfer cases.
One thing you can do about bolting up the driveshafts if the
flange bolt hole sizes or locations don't match........if the
alignment ring on the driveshaft flange matches the hole
on the axle or transfer case flange (all the ones I've seen so
far have) you can usually turn the driveshaft flange 45 degrees
and redrill the opposite flange.
Just some thoughts........
______________________________________________
Jay Kopycinski '85 Toylet (ROKTOY)
Gilbert, AZ '91 4Runner (hers)
ryna10@email.sps.mot.com '72 Jeep Commando
http://www.netzone.com/~jayk '97 H-D Sportster
Arizona Lo-Rangers 4WD Club TLCA #3243
______________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:49:42 -0700
From: Sterling Rorden
Subject: Broken '80 4 speed
To: lac@feico.com
I replaced the broken 4 speed in my '80 pickup with a '81-'83 5 speed.
I had to grind on the input shaft of the transfer case to make the
output shaft fit all of the way in, push up the transmission tunnel to
clear the 5 speed and move the shifter boot (I used my 4 speed shifter
but I can't remember why). Other than that it was a bolt in. I did not
have to move the cross member or shorten/lengthen the drive shafts as is
necessary with the later transmissions.
Sterling
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:42:30 -0700
From: wgirindra@bbs.fronet.com (Wilkin Girindra)
Subject: Broken 80 4speed
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
To Locke Christian.
I just went through this whole thing with the 4sp to 5 sp
conversion recently when I put in my dual transfer cases.
I also was going to put in W56 5speed from a 85 4runner with EFI.
Now I hope I get all my fact straight here and if they're wrong
I hope someone will correct me!
There are 2 types of 4speeds the L43 and the L45. One is cast iron and
basically the same length as L50 or L52 which are the 81-82 & 83 5speeds.
If your tranny is 21" long I think its the cast iron L45. Then putting in
the L52 or L50 is straight bolt in with no modifications.
I think all of these trannies use the same tcase.
Now back to the newer 5 speed. The tranny out of the the 85 EFI trucks is
called the W56. This tranny will mate to the earlier tcases.
The other newer 5 speed is the G52 and this was in 84-85 carbed trucks.
This tranny was bolted to a different style tcase.
This tcase didn't have the shifter mounted to the top of it but to the
tranny instead.
The thing I found from talking with transmission guys is that the W56 is not
necessarily that much of a better tranny than the L50 or L52. It has it's
strengths and weaknesses. It will bolt to your tcase but will require
crossmember remounting (this takes a bit of work and thinking) and driveshaft
modification. More $$$!
Talking with them (and I trust them 100%, they're all wheelin toys with
L50's or L52's) they seem to all say that the older 5speed can be built
to last if rebuilt properly with a few things beefed up. The only problem
is that it is getting a little harder to find good old 5 speed cores to
rebuild.
Anyways good luck, I decided against the W56 because with it's added length
and the dual tcases and a shortbox my rear driveshaft was getting a bit too
short and steep. I still have my 4speed in till I can find a good 5speed
core to rebuild. 5.29's with 33's and a 4speed is a bit much on the highway!!
Also double check what I have stated above before you do anything.
Wil
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:35:02 -0600
From: "ARTHUR RUMPF"
Subject: Toy4x4 Digest V1 #396
To:
Locke Christman wrote:
>If I go with a later model 5 speed, will my '80 t-case bolt to it? If
>so, what year(s) tranny is recommended?
The late model 4 cyl tranny will bolt right up, however, Jay is right, it is
longer. Requires flipping the crossmember around and adding new rear
mounting brackets to the frame and making new holes in the floor for the
relocated shifter. The driveshafts from the donor vehicle will work if it
is the same wheelbase, but they did go to larger flanges on the newer
setups. If you get your original rear shaft shortened, swap the small
output flange from the front pinion with the large rear output flange on
the new xfer case. They are interchangeable and this will make the new
style front shaft fit. I don't know if the original transfer case will bolt
up, there are a few different shifter arrangements and the new cases are
larger. Also don't know if re-drilling the old flanges will work, I did the
swap thing. BTW an 89 tranny, transfer and front shaft cost me $1000 a few
years back!
Been there, done that,
Art 82 SR5
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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:23:21
From: Charles
Subject: USED TRANNY
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
At 01:53 PM 9/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>If you can find a rebuilt one, what is a good price? Also, would people
>who have had theirs rebuilt or have other experience please comment to the
>list.
>
>Thanks.
I had a tranny rebuilt in 95 it was a 5speed behind a 22r. The removal,
rebuilding, and installation cost $1300 at AAMCO.They only give a 30 day
warantee on manual tranny's due to "driving style differences" however
when I brought mine back in 6 mo's later because of a funny noise they
pulled it out and put it back in FREE and didn't charge me for the labor
to replace the throw out bearing which ended up being the problem i had.
Charles Brooks
cbrooks1@mail.tqci.net
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:09:12 -0400
From: Brian Rau
Subject: gear slipping
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
At 12:30 PM 9/15/97, Justin Cole wrote:
>hello all, I have a friend that has a 91 or 92 toyota 22re. When you
>shift into 3rd gear you have to hold it in, or it slips out. Any ideas
>on what is wrong would be helpful.
Had a similar thing happen to my '91 V6, except it would slip out of 4th.
Unfortunately, this happened about 2000 miles from home on a vacation, and
I had visions of a "screw-the-guy-he's-from-out-of-town" tranny rebuild.
Fortunately, it was very simple: there's a rubber seat (like an overgrown
o-ring) that a ball at the bottom of the shift lever seats into, and this
had gotten chewed up with time, so that it was preventing full travel of
the shift lever. Total repair was $70-something at a dealer, which I was
happy with considering my circumstances. Don't know if the 22RE has the
same kind of thing as the V6, but it's worth investigating...
==========================================================================
Brian D. Rau, Project Engineer Voice: (513) 831-2881 x167
Computer Technology Corp. FAX: (513) 831-5042
50 W. Technecenter Dr. e-mail: brau@ctcusa.com
Milford, OH 45150 USA Web Page: http://www.ctcusa.com/users/brau
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It could also be the nylon/plastic gizmos on the bottom of the shift
lever. When I did my floormats, I removed the shift lever and took it
into the local Toy dealer and got a new nylon collar that fits over
the knob on the bottom of the lever, and a new tapered O-ring that
fits on the top of the trans under the lever. I read about these on the
list a long time ago, but only recently put them in my truck. They made
the shifter feel much more controlled. I had a lot of sloppy play in the
lever, and other people had problems finding gears when they shifted my
truck. The guys at the parts counter laughed when they saw how worn my
parts were (they were totally dysfunctional) and they thought I was
replacing them because the trans was slipping out of gear. Mine was not,
but it feels much tighter now.
______________________________________________________________
Barney McNamara JENNY - 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
homepage: http://www.scruz.net/~barneym/barnhome.htm
______________________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:56:36 -0600
From: "Tong, Donald L"
Subject: Gear Slipping
To: "'Toyota 4x4 Digest'" ,
I had a problem on my '91 4R where I had difficulty getting into a
couple gears, and I had to hold the gear shift in place long enough
to make sure the gears actually engaged and wouldn't slip out.
The shifter bushing had deteriorated/broke and the pieces get
caught in the shifter mechanism. About $80 of labor to change
a $7 part. (This was one of my incentives to start doing
more work myself.)
The mechanic that did the work told me that it's a fairly common
problem when the gear shift is used as a hand rest. Funny thing
was that I'd never mentioned that as being one of my habits
(which I've since changed).
Don Tong
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:01:59 -0700
From: James Brink
Subject: gear slipping
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Justin Cole wrote:
>
> I want to thank everyone who wrote back. I now have a second question.
> I have heard alot of you talk about the bushings and such that wear out
> and that might cause the shifter not to stay in 3rd. Would that problem
> just affect one gear? if not anymore suggestions before it goes to the
> shop.
Depends. Sometimes the bushings wear on a particular area causing a flat
spot but this usually effects the gears in the same location of the
shift pattern, i.e. 1, 3, 5, or 2, 4, and Reverse. Otherwise it could be
the "key inertia lock" system in the transmission, the system that locks
the trans. in each gear by way of steel ball bearings that seat in
detents in the shift forks. If this is the case, the trans. must be
pulled and inspected. Depending on the mileage of the truck, an overhaul
would be a good idea including the replacement of all of the bearings
and synchronizer rings, seals, and a through cleaning and inspection of
the case, gears, and input/output/idler components.
- --
Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician
Manhattan Beach, CA
(brinkjm@earthlink.net) '86 Std.Bed/32"BFG A/T
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:47:05 -0700
From: James Brink
Subject: Transmission replacement
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
JGMorris@aol.com wrote:
>
> My 85 4Runner lost the third gear in the 5 speed manual transmission. First
> and second have to be held in place to use or they pop out when you let out
> the clutch. Fifth gear whines loudly. Obviously time for another. The
> local transmission shop wants $1350 for a rebuilt. Mechanic claims the EFI
> makes it more expensive. Is this price out of line? I'm in the St. Louis
> area. Thanks for any input.
That price sounds a little out of line, even with removal and
installation, or does this include a new (rebuilt) transfer case too?
Here in So. Cal., rebuilt and used transmission/transfer combos can be
had for around $600. As for EFI, there are no real internal differences,
just mounting and gearshift placement for the transfer case/transfer
adapter.
- --
Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician '86 Std. Bed 22R
Manhattan Beach, CA 32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
(brinkjm@earthlink.net)
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TLCA# 6184/ Friends of the Mojave Road (FOMR)
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:16:13 -0800
From: James Brink
Subject: strong,stronger
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
penny wrote:
>
> is there a particular 5-speed thats "stronger" than the others ? the reason
> im asking is since swapping to 5.29s the 4-speed is not enough
> at 55 im at 3000 rpm the extra gear is now needed. I might as well search
> for the "right" one from the start
Avoid the "L" series transmissions all together. These are the trouble
prone models from the early to mid eighties. An upgrade is available
with larger bearings but the trans. case must be swapped or machined to
accomplish this ($$$).
Look for a "W" or "G" or even one of the "R" series transmissions out of
an '84+ truck.
- --
Jim Brink--Toyota/ASE Certified Technician '86 Std. Bed 22R
Manhattan Beach, CA 32x11.50/15 BFG M/Ts
brinkjm@earthlink.net
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:16:32 EST
From: Specilizd@aol.com
Subject: Tranny lever hitting Transfer lever
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
In a message dated 98-02-12 09:07:29 EST, you write:
<< Barney McNamara wrote-
************************
I also had a problem
with my tranny lever knocking the xfer case out of 4-low, but that
may have been due to worn out shift lever bushings. I bent the xfer
lever with a torch,
**************************
>>
Guys this is normal. And with a little experience you learn to shift around
it. I dont really see the need for modifications. And my tranny is rebuilt
there is no excess play in the levers. My truck is an 81. I was told it was
fixed in later years. Not sure though.
Steve Keene
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