Igniters
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:31:13 -0800
From: rmurray@gvn.net (Rick Murray)
Subject: Spare igniter
To: TOY4X4@TLCA.ORG
When I bought some spare steering components (knuckle arms, drag link) from
a wrecker, the guy recommended that I also get a spare igniter, saying that
if it went bad, you were stuck, big time. I didn't, but probably should,
especially after your experience. The only question is, what model years
and engines have interchangeable igniters ? The wrecking yard is probably
the best way to get a cheap one for a spare.
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Rick Murray 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5
( rmurray@gvn.net ) stock 22R motor ; 3" ProComp Lift
Rancho Cordova, Ca. 8" steel rims; 33" BFG M/Ts
www.gvn.net/~rmurray/ 4.88 gears; Marlin TCase #67 ; TRD LSD
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:09:11 -0800
X-Sender: rmurray@mail-1.gvn.net
To: barney@flowpoint.com (Barney McNamara)
From: rmurray@gvn.net (Rick Murray)
Subject: re: Spare igniter
>You are probably right, but the place I buy used parts in San Jose, CA,
>charges 1/2 of new price for stuff. I haven't talked to him yet, but that
>would make it about $150. Not bad if you need it, but I am leery of used
>electrical stuff, and that's pretty high for something I hope to never use.
>I would be interested to hear any responses you get. I haven't heard from
>anybody but you. The list seems to be slow getting off the ground, or
>maybe it is just holiday time.
>
I think the guy I talked to at the wreckers quoted a price of less than $50,
but I'm not certain. Some are willing to bargain and not just quote prices
that are a percentage of new. It pays to shop around, even at wreckers.
It also helps to go to the same one most of the time, and they will be good
to 'regular' customers. Thats been my experience.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:51:02 -0800
From: rmurray@gvn.net (Rick Murray)
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: TOY4X4@TLCA.ORG
I have heard from previous postings that this is particularly important
piece of hardware on all toyotas, and that it is a good idea to carry
a spare. There is no way to jury-rig around it , if it fails while on
the trail. Brand new, I'm sure Toyota commands a small fortune for one,
so I want to scrounge one from a wrecking yard.
They probably rarely fail, but likely do so suddenly and without warning
when they go. They seem to be attached to the oddly-shaped coil, so I
assume they are easily separated.
Anyone out there have any experience with these suckers ? Am I close ?
I am assuming that all numbers stamped on the side should match to what
one already has in the truck. My 1984 4Runner 22R has the following numbers
stamped on the tag attache to the body of the igniter :
89620-35140
131100-3750
Along side of these numbers, which are printed horizontally, is a '75' printed
vertically, with a much larger font.
How does this compare with other 22R motors, including the 22RE ?
(Hint : you can run out to your garage with a flashlight and check ,
the numbers are very visible ).
It would be nice to know what years are interchangeable, so we can all
swap/share spare parts while on the trail.
tia
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Rick Murray 84 Toyota 4Runner SR5
( rmurray@gvn.net ) stock 22R motor ; 3" ProComp Lift
Rancho Cordova, Ca. 8" steel rims; 33" BFG M/Ts
www.gvn.net/~rmurray/ 4.88 gears; Marlin TCase #67 ; TRD LSD
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:10:05 -0600
From: Jack Alford
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Rick wrote:
>I am assuming that all numbers stamped on the side should match to what
>one already has in the truck. My 1984 4Runner 22R has the following numbers
>stamped on the tag attache to the body of the igniter :
>
> 89620-35140
> 131100-3750
Here's the numbers from my 86 22R, there were quite a few. The one's
with asterisks beside them denoting numbers that are similar to yours.
90919-01206 *
029700-4790
19070-35090
101311-3751 *
|From comparing mine to yours, I'll venture these are production lot
numbers or something not part numbers.
>Along side of these numbers, which are printed horizontally, is a '75' printed
>vertically, with a much larger font.
Mine has no such number that I can see.
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Jack Alford Off-Road.com - The best dirt on the net!
jalford@off-road.com http://www.off-road.com/
Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Igniters, yes, they can be a problem. I asked for info on after-market
ignition systems a while ago. I assume those are basically igniter/coil
replacements. Nothing came back that seemed to justify the cost of the
after-market parts, and none of them are cheap enough to justify carrying
as a spare.
As far as problems with them, mine went out in Death Valley. It was soon after
I bought the truck, it had about 185,000 miles on it, at the time. I was
30 miles from pavement, and just about to head over a hill and down another
30 miles when the truck coughed and died. It acted like no gas. I cranked
it over a few times, and it started up, acting like a weak fuel pump. It died
again, I cranked it over again, and it started again. We stopped at the
out-house for one final pass. The truck started fine, went about 1/4 mile,
then died and would not restart.
I started checking the fuel, it seemed fine. Visible gas in the carburator
window, and the fuel pump filled a can in a few strokes. (It seemed weak to me,
so I bought a new pump next time I was at a parts shop, and still carry the
new one as a spare, 20,000 miles later.) Anyway, the problem was no spark.
Out there it is hard to tell too much, but we swapped wires around, thinking
it might be a bad high voltage wire. We checked for +12V at the input to the
igniter, and it was there. We coudn't check the magnetic distributor pickup,
the coil, or the igniter. At the time, I had no spares for anything, and no
CB radio. I decided to go and come back with one of everything.
Luckily, there were some college kids camped at the campground. Nobody else
visible for miles. (Later I found a ranger who said he would have been by the
spot on Saturday, I was there Thursday.) The kids took me about 50 miles to
a motel and phone. We ate dinner and spent the night. Next day, calling around
I found a tow would be $700, parts were 50 miles away. So, the kids took me to
a small town where there were parts stores - I found the magnetic pickup and
coil, no igniter. Parts stores said that was dealer-only. I tried a junk yard,
they had only one Toyota pickup - igniter was gone. So they took me to a
car rental agency, I rented a car and drove to the closest dealer, Las Vegas.
I had called and they had the igniter - $300. By then I was ready. Got there,
got back to truck, all the new parts in, it started right up. Next day, back
to rental agent, and on home. Cost - 400 miles round trip, $375 parts, car
rental, motel, food, aggravation...
Moral of the story, don't leave home without one. I still don't have a spare,
but I am heading to my local junk yard today to get one. I'm planning another
trip to Death Valley in April - I still want to go over that hill and down to
the hot springs in Saline Valley.
When I got home, I verified the old parts, mag pickup and coil are OK, igniter
had truly died. So I carry the old parts as spares, and I'm going to get, and
verify, an igniter.
My info shows:
Part number on box from Toyota - 89620-35H93.
Part Number on the old igniter - 89620-35112.
(very similar to Rick's 89620-35140)
The other number on the old igniter is 131100-3440
(very similar to Rick's 131100-3750)
The sticker on the new one is on top, under the coil, so I can't see it
without taking off the coil. I plan to get another igniter, then swap it
in, I'll check numbers then.
Jack's numbers don't match too well:
>Here's the numbers from my 86 22R, there were quite a few. The one's
>with asterisks beside them denoting numbers that are similar to yours.
>90919-01206 *
>029700-4790
>19070-35090
>101311-3751 *
Rick's truck is an 1984 4Runner 22R, mine is a 1983 Pickup 22R. The igniter
is a weird shape, designed to mount the square coil right on top. Maybe they
changed shape for mounting convenience, and the part number changed, too.
Since this is an electrical part, there is no visible inspection possible.
The junk yard I deal with normally charges 1/2 of new cost for their parts.
I'm not spending $150 for an old igniter, but I will go to $50. I'll let you
know what I find out this afternoon.
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Barney McNamara 83 Toyota Short Bed
( barney@flowpoint.com ) stock 22R motor ; 3" body lift
Santa Cruz, Ca. 8" alloy rims; 31" BFG A/Ts
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:43:37 +0000
From: "Mike Williams"
Subject: Igniters
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
On 25 Feb 97 , Rick Murray wrote:
> I have heard from previous postings that this is particularly important
> piece of hardware on all toyotas, and that it is a good idea to carry
> a spare. There is no way to jury-rig around it , if it fails while on
> the trail. Brand new, I'm sure Toyota commands a small fortune for one,
> so I want to scrounge one from a wrecking yard.
From my information you are correct, without a properly working
igniter your Toyota is not going to run. Yes, one can separate the
igniter from the coil and use an aftermarket coil (but the Toyota
igniter must still be used with the aftermarket coil).
..................... My 1984 4Runner 22R has the following numbers
> stamped on the tag attache to the body of the igniter :
>
> 89620-35140
> 131100-3750
My '81 Toyota PU with a 22R has the following numbers on its igniter.
89620-35110
131100-2421
> Along side of these numbers, which are printed horizontally, is a '75'
> printed vertically, with a much larger font.
On the left side of these numbers in a much larger font is the
letters ND which of course stand for Nippondenso, who is the
manufacturer of the ignitor. Now all that we need to do is sort out
the run numbers from part numbers. I would ask my local Toyota
dealer for help but they seem to be lost when it comes to figuring
out parts for my truck.
Mike Williams
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mwill@ctos.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:05:34 -0500 (EST)
From: "Tim Jackson (CS)"
Subject: Lets talk IGNITORS
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
>I have heard from previous postings that this is particularly important
>piece of hardware on all toyotas, and that it is a good idea to carry a
>spare. There is no way to jury-rig around it , if it fails while on the
>trail. Brand new, I'm sure Toyota commands a small fortune for one,
>so I want to scrounge one from a wrecking yard.
Rick
That is funny. My friend just had an episode with his ignitor(82 4x4).
He would drive across town and out of the blue...BAM....the engine would
die. It would not start and it wasn't gas related. After it sat for
about 10 minutes it started again and ran fine(go figure). It took a
while but we finally realized it had to be the ignitor.
No salvage yards in our area had one that would work(not even off a Celica
or other 2wd models). Come to find out that the Toyota dealer here
actually had the nerve to ask for $400.00 dollars for a new one.
I don't know about you but makes me a little sick. We finally found one
from another friend($25, ha ha Toyota dealer) and installed it. No
problems since.
As for the different serial numbers... Well I think for the most part the
connections are different but that is where it ends. We had the
particular stile that looks like a mounting base for the coil with wires
coming out. We DID have to change the connections but the wires were all
the same...same colors...same size..same location exiting the
ignitor..etc.
I guess the moral to my story is, if you find a couple of these in a
salvage yard, BUY 2. You may save a friend from shock when they
hear the $400.00 the dealer is asking for!
aj
jackson@csee.usf.edu
83 4x4
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:22:05 -0800
From: Scott Muir
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: "'Toy List'"
How do you diagnose a faulty Igniter on the trail?
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:14:45 -0600
From: Jack Alford
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
I just got off the phone with Scott Tate at Sterling McCall Lexus and
according to his books the 79-83 22R's igniters in 4x4 trucks have the same
part numbers and the 84-89 22R igniters in 4x4 trucks have the same part
number. I asked about getting one from a 22R in a Celica and he couldn't
guarantee that the bracetry would be the same but would most likely work
although the 22RE was in the Celica much earlier than the truck.
Scott said with the 25% TLCA discount that he would let me have one
for: $203.72 + shipping ...
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Jack Alford Off-Road.com - The best dirt on the net!
jalford@off-road.com http://www.off-road.com/
Decatur, AL
'86 Xcab Toyota Pickup - 33x12.50 BFG MT
Solid Front Axle - Marlin Crawler - ARB's - 4.88's
SFWDA - TLCA #3415 - Rocket City Rock Crawlers
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 08:19:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Spinnetti@aol.com
Subject: Ignitors
To: toy4x4@tlca.org
If you don't have fuel injection, ANY ignitor will work with ANY car that has
an external Ignitor. Jacobs Electronics puts out a great book, which includes
how to wire them and what pins are what. I bought a 20yr old Chrysler Ignitor
for $5 and it has worked great in my Celica race car for over 10yrs! Save
yourself some money! (the fuel injected cars have the injector timing hooked
into the ignitor, and I have'nt figured out how to get around this yet.
Anybody have any ideas?)
Dave S.
85' MR2 MKI (Street/Race)
91' 4Runner SR-5 V6 (Street driver)
77' Celica (Street/Racecar)
85' Corolla GT-S (Racecar)
67' S800 (Rare Toyota targa top)
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:30:44 -0500 (EST)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Hrere are my 2cents:
I don't pay attention to the numbers in the igniters never had a problem
until recently my toy 83 igniter just quit, since I have some spare parts
I just swaped one out of an 86 2wd. There are two leads one yellow and
another one pink the pink one is the juice so as long as they are connected
properly everything should be ok. Igniters previous to 84 have separate
connectors while igniters after 84 have a single connector. Old 79-80
igniters have square connectors (2) while 82-83 have rounded connectors
but all of them have the same two leads (yellow and thick pink) the yellow
one is ground I think while the pink one ise always current you can check
by turning the key on and checking for current at the connectors from the
driver side fender.
Close to these connectors there is another connector connection to take tach
readings but this connector usually has a rubber cap on it
Hope this shed some light on the subject.
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:45:20 -0500 (EST)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
Threre are plenty in junk yards for about $45, and people that part out
trucks sell them cheap. I bought the one for my 83 from a guy for $20.00
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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:46:15 -0500 (EST)
From: BCSTOY@aol.com
Subject: Lets talk IGNITERS
To: Toy4x4@tlca.org
This is a good question simple but difficult to answer. The first thing to do
is to check for spark. If no spark at the spark plug wire do not waste your
battery.
Turn you key on go to check for current at the two connectors (pink-current,
yellow-ground) if there is current then you have a problem in the igniter,
the pick up coil or the ignition coil. Check the coil for for resistence at
its terminals if within the specs then have two more places to check the pick
up coil in the distributor or the igniter itself. I do not remember how to
test the pick up coil in the distributor but if the igniter seems unsually
hot is probabably bad.
I am sure someone will provide a more accurate diagnostic. But for me I
usually go with my hunch. That is coils do not fail very often, igniters
and pick up coils do.
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